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"The first time I rang him to tell him he was captain he thought I was an insurance man from England trying to sell him insurance. He was always wary of UK numbers so it took me three go's to get through to him. But I came across and to Ireland and we spent a day together just talking about what we wanted to do and how we wanted to achieve that."Face to face conversations are always better, regardless of whether you're selling a Lions captaincy or insurance.

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